H-1B ‘Specialty Occupation’ Proposal Could Change Visa Forever

Earlier this year, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) published a proposed revision to the H-1B visa program. This revision, if it goes into effect, could have a substantial impact on the H-1B program in 2020 and beyond, particularly for those business-services and outsourcing firms that rely heavily on the visa.

If enacted, the proposal would revise of the definition of “specialty occupation” to focus “on obtaining the best and the brightest foreign nationals via the H-1B program, and revise the definition of employment and employer-employee relationship to better protect U.S. workers and wages.” On top of that, “DHS will propose additional requirements designed to ensure employers pay appropriate wages to H-1B visa holders.”

The purpose of this shift, the proposal added, is “to ensure that H-1B visas are awarded only to individuals who will be working in a job which meets the statutory definition of specialty occupation.” In other words, the changes would ensure “the H-1B program supplements the U.S. workforce and strengthens U.S. worker protections.”

A H-1B visa data-dump from the U.S. Department of Labor showed that job titles such as “software developer” and “software engineer” are the most widely used for H-1B candidates; the average salary for all H-1B workers, according to the same database, is $89,779. At first glance, though, it’s hard to argue that generic “developer” and “engineer” roles are so highly specialized that they require a company to source an H-1B worker from overseas. The other most-used titles are similarly broad:

Given this reliance on using the H-1B program to source “engineers,” “developers,” and “analysts,” this proposed rule could have a seismic effect on companies’ ability to source workers who can’t demonstrate some high degree of specialization. Companies are already facing far greater scrutiny over how they use the H-1B, with a skyrocketing rate of denials and additional Requests For Evidence (RFEs); the denials are hitting subcontracting and outsourcing firms, which often send developers and engineers to client firms, particularly hard.

“At least 12 companies that provide professional or IT services to other U.S. companies, including Accenture, Capgemini and others, had denial rates over 30 percent through the first three quarters of FY 2019,” read a recent report (PDF) by the National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP). “Most of these companies had denial rates between 2 percent and 7 percent as recently as FY 2015.”

In conjunction with other proposed changes (including a crackdown on H-4 EAD, which allows the spouses of H-1B visa holders to work), any alteration to “specialization” means that the H-1B program could look very different by the time Trump leaves office. “Undoubtedly [the Trump administration] will push the boundaries and aim for long-term, structural changes to the H-1B visa category,” said Lynden Melmed, a partner at Berry Appleman & Leiden and former Chief Counsel for USCIS, recently told Forbes.

But that also depends on these changes actually going through. Many outsourcing and consulting firms have begun filing lawsuits against the federal government over the latter’s H-1B moves, and the H-4 EAD proposal is currently mired in a legal battle. “Lots of people are unhappy with how the agency is adjudicating the applications and they feel like they have to turn to the courts for fair adjudication because the agency is failing them,” Jill Family, an immigration law professor at Widener University, recently told Mother Jones. The outcome of those legal cases may ultimately decide just how restrictive the H-1B process ultimately becomes—and how the federal government defines “specialization.”

94 Responses to “H-1B ‘Specialty Occupation’ Proposal Could Change Visa Forever”

  1. Jaye Mosier

    H1B = coders that write software that flies jets full speed nose first into the ground over all objections by the pilot. H1B = The greatest software failure in the history of the computer

    • Jaye Mosier Sucks

      You guys are worthless pieces of s***. Just google and read from 3-4 different sources.
      Ohh wait who is the CEO of google BTW?
      We are everywhere not just US. We are good at what we do and if not USA then someplace else.

      • Hello,

        Good at what? Fake resumes, Fake experience and getting hired by referral.
        what are so good people doing here, go and Improve your country.
        working in IT from past 10 years, I have not seen a better hypocrite than Indian.
        Most of them hate Critians, Americans, Christianity and just love Dollar.

      • If you calling someone sucks for comments Moran like you never should allow to work in this great nation like the USA. Besides HB-1 visa for special skillset folks only, not an idiot like you. we have enough best US workforce to handle the top level. What happened was someone came with an idea to have local recruiters to deal with tech companies created the phony-baloney agencies to bring people like you this how flood gate got open I am glad our “President doing something about it”

      • Hardly. Fake degrees. Fake Resumes. Allowing others to do your phone screenings. The cheating on your exams is so bad that it makes the news world wide.

        You can continue to try and push the mantra that you’re better at what you do but the truth is that once an H1-B visa employee gets into management, they’ll only hire other H1-B workers for sub-ordinate positions pushing US Workers out of jobs regardless of skill.

        And do we get to talk about how absolutely misogynistic male H1-B visa workers are when they’re from India?

      • Then why not go back to India and do all they great things that you are capable of? Or is that you are truly worthless without some sort of master? I don’t ever recall any true empire coming out of India, it was always the foreigners whether British, Uzbeks (Mughals), and even the Afghans that had to come in and fix things in your “great country”.

      • Marc Martins

        Indians are “Wanna Be” Americans! I very much known that all Indians who happen to work for an American company judge themselves better than those in India. Still very much a CAST society and way of thinking. I have to wor wirh teams in Pune, and most of the time I have to waste my double checking everything they do, because it’s short of S***! All the time, there’s of technical debt that has to be worked on after a code release, always deviating from the user stories and going off on their own and not following best practices. Companies on the other hand are not concerned with quality and throughput, but cost. H1B visas are only good for unqualifield Indians, sourcing companies, and companies that only care for their stockholders and profits. Americans workers are the ones being replaced by lower cost, unqualified Indian workers.

      • It is so easy to spot butthurt indians who get extremely uncomfortable with the truth. Many of us are already aware the way these bunch operates:

        1) Fake credentials/interviews or steal resumes information from somebody else (this is where indians pseudo-recruiters come in the picture, do not every reply or submit any information to these individuals).

        2) Prepare to just ace the interview, get hired and inside, have your few tech savvy conationals on speed dial so they can save your ass by giving you answers/tips, etc when you are about to be uncovered as a fraud. Or have your other indian coworkers cover it up for, whenever you work with them, you will notice only one or two are truly talented, the rest run to them every time they need answers or help. Happens every time…..oh!, and if something goes wrong, they will literally hide, refuse to answers your calls, emails, IMs, etc and have you or another non-indian explain to management what happened; however, when things go as planned, they will the first one to demand recognition.

        3) Undeservedly get a manager position (the most unfortunate part), now you have the power to hire only indians (friends, relatives, etc) at the expense of Americans. Slowly but surely, start building contacts inside the client and with indian staffing companies to saturate the market with cheap and incompetent IT labor.

        4) While living in the US, H1B’s spouses will create and operate IT staffing companies by the dozen, each and every one claiming to be the leader in IT (usual locations are Texas, Georgia, New Jersey), none of them will show names or pictures of their staff or management team, obviously, they don’t want anybody to know they are operated by indians. Who would want to deal with these people?, no serious IT professional worth their salt will do it. Their argument about not being able to find qualified American is BS because they will either pretend doing their due diligence and finally tell DOL they can’t find anybody, or they will set you up for failure during the initial interview, bottom line, they will not hire American at all.

        5) Unfortunately, they have the support of some sell out politicians, lobbies who will make their case by using MSM, congress, representatives, CEOs, etc. and portray the H1B scheme as a necessary measure to address the so-called lack of qualified American IT workforce, this is BS, don’t buy it. This is about cheap labor, increasing their bottom line while receiving kickbacks from companies like Wipro, Larsen& Toubro, TCS, Infosys, etc (that also includes trips to India with all expenses paid to “get to know better” their indian counterparts, where they work, etc).

        Knowledge is power, get to know the ones who are stealing our jobs, get to know your adversaries, how they operate, what makes them tick. At they end all they can do is passable coding, can’t even be good managers due to their culture and personalities. If you apply for jobs check their employees, if all of them or the majority of them are indians, don’t waste your time, stay away from them. Look for companies with none of very few indians (while the majority are Americans), try the federal gov or at least being a federal contractor, they are yet infected with H1Bs because it requires US citizenship and/or some degree of clearance (something they will never get). Inform yourself and share every bit of info with your fellow colleagues. Time to fight back.

    • I agree one hundred percent of Make America Great Again of our great President Donald Trump by not giving any opportunity for those worthless H1-B visa holders. They are talking the Americans jobs. Kick them out.
      Sid.

    • Soulong louserz

      Look at all the skilled open minded US people. You are just wage slaves. They are venting here fearing layoffs when they learn they can’t compete in the changing global economy.

  2. Kevin Brand

    The H1B visa program was designed so that US Corporations could hire exceptionally talented individuals from a pool of talent elsewhere when such talented resources were not available inside the US already via American citizens. Unfortunately the H1B system has become something entirely different in the last 20 years…it has become an avenue for US Corporations to do away with the high priced American Tech worker and completely replace them with low cost foreigners, mostly from India. They come with fake/purchased degrees from Indian Universities, no experience, very poor skills and a true lack English speaking/understanding abilities. Once placed, their Indian peers and Indian managers help them through the initial learning curve ( often with the assistance of the American Citizen that is being displaced ) by shielding their incompetence from any scrutiny from the actual Americans that are running the operation ( upper management and beyond ) so the H1B from India with his/her fake credentials ( degrees ) can roll up here into the US and be handed a high paying tech job when they HAVE NOT CLUE what they are doing. Yes…let’s redefine Specialty Occupation and while we’re at it, let’s start testing these Highly Skilled Indians to really measure what they know and what they can do when they land over here in the US before just handing them the keys to the city eh?

    • Immigrant to US

      Hahhahahaha. Look at an American idiot who thinks he is more qualified than foreign workers. Hey buddy, welcome to reality. When is an average salary of almost $90k considered cheap ? Also, are American companies dumb enough to bet so much on a foreign personnel(no contract, H1-B has always been uncertain etc,. )

      Just get in peace with the fact that you are/were incompetent. If you(who is a native, has local connections, language superiority, white privilege etc,. ) can’t protect your own job from a foreign national, then maybe you aren’t cut out for that position.

      • Wakjob Dunfor

        Stop the lies, looter. Americans built Silicon Valley long before you got here. The list of companies Indians destroyed is a mile long, including Sun Microsystems, Lehman, Boeing, and a host of others. If you are so brilliant then why is there no Apple or Microsoft of India? Wage-fixing BTW is a federal crime, and most Indians are guilty of it. $90K is 2/3 what the prevailing wage was 20 years ago. Stop the lies, thief.

      • Let me share something that happened this week. A “software developer” here on an H1b visa – renewed a couple of times – asked me today to tell him the actual length of a numeric field defined as 11,2. This is NOT the best and brightest and this fellow – nice enough, but technically clueless – did not need to be here displacing an American developer.

      • Foreigner And A Citizen

        $90K is cheap when it is displacing a $120K middle class tech worker.
        Also, it is a race to the bottom, because that $90K becomes the new standard pay after enough $120K workers are gone. We are not yet there, but we are getting there.

        I’m not against foreign labor, I’m against the discrepancy in worker rights. Companies dream of eliminating the rights of their workers, so having a worker class that is lower than the US worker is beneficial. H-1B no doubt have less rights, this is why companies are currently paying 20% less on average for an H-1B worker. The benefits are beyond paying less. You H-1B (a lower cast worker) can’t go do your own startup with the knowledge and experience you gain. It is also harder for you to just change jobs, and you can’t go quitting if the work environment is bad (like I did, when my boss went nuts). If you do, prepare to be deported within 60days. You know this is true.

        H-1Bs are indentured servants in our workplace, having virtual slaves-to-desks like that is hurting all of us. Sure this is better than being in India, but it is still relatively bad for US work standards, and yes $90K is low pay! Your work is worth at least $120-$150K you know it!

    • You are wrong, Kevin!

      For “exceptionally talented” our government provides a different visa, not H1B. Its official name is “O-1 Visa: Individuals with Extraordinary Ability or Achievement”.

      On the other hand, H1B Visa is for three categories of people: “[1] Specialty Occupations, [2] DOD Cooperative Research and Development Project Workers, and [3] Fashion Models”. There is no requirements that people in the Specialty Occupations possess “especial talents”. Only the Department of Defense workers must be “of exceptional merit and ability” (both merit and ability are required). Fashion Models must be ‘of distinguished merit or ability” (either merit or ability is fine).

      See website of US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS.gov)

  3. Jaye Mosier Sucks

    You guys are worthless pieces of s***. Just google and read from 3-4 different sources.
    Ohh wait who is the CEO of google BTW?
    We are everywhere not just US. We are good at what we do and if not USA then someplace else.

    • Jaye, ok, we some have indian-born CEOs, so what?, big deal. These are companies created in the US by Americans, your wonderful India hasn’t created anything of value since the british left your country. IT staffing doesn’t count because you are just placing people around, there is no OS, app, suite, device made in India being used worldwide. But I will give you credit for having the talent to steal proprietary information/data from your clients and send it to India or to the best bidder (there are numerous cases about it).

  4. Ex H1 B Worker

    1) Let’s first agree that typically, in our Capitalistic society, corporations are motivated by profits. One way to obtain such profits is to make do with less. If the corporations are willing to replace me with an H1 worker, he must be bringing something more to the table than what I do.
    Is it the corporation’s job to still keep me employed?
    2) Say you don’t let the H1 resource come into the US. He stays back in India. If he gets $88k a year in the US, he will be more than happy to work in India for $20k because cost of living is a lot lower there. Don’t you think the corporation will now shift the job to India? They in fact recruit 3 overseas resources for every one onsite person. Won’t the US society now lose the job AND lose the taxes?

    • Wakjob Dunfor

      Corporations are accountable to the law too. It is illegal in all cases to replace skilled Americans with foreign H-1B workers. Always. Training them is visa fraud. Corporations do not have free reign over the economy. They have to obey laws too, just like anyone else. Suggest you go read Title 8, especialy section 1182 INADMISSIBLE ALIENS. US law is actually in favor of workers, far more than corporations.

  5. Realise&learn

    I am suprised, when ppl say replacing American Workers. how is that possible. To hire H1B , company has to file bundle of paper work ,they have to pay attorney, fee to USCIS. Employer has to pay salary as PER LCA (which is Salary provided by labor department)+~20K for H1B application. If there is same talented person locally available, obvious common sense he would go with local so that he does spend extra. Being American you have better edge than any one else. Grow up. And H1B is not Cheap. Ask any HR person you Know. One is for sure,jobs are very dynamic and Software has become agile. Need to adapt and tune yourself and be available or flexible to move where ever you get a job– that flexibility H1B candidate are prepared for they are willing. Against all odds if they are able to find a job in alien world. being citizen you will have 100 times more oppertunities. Thinkwise..Grow up

    • Do you realize how condescending you sound? To tell someone who paid way more for a degree that anyone with a degree from India has and who has student loan debts and has a family to support but cannot find work because most managers looking for workers are from India and not just discriminating against US citizens but also against Indians from other areas of India and from other religions…do you realize how condescending it sounds to say “being citizen you will have 100 times more oppertunities. Thinkwise..Grow up”?? By the way, the correct spelling is opportunities.

    • ‘You have to adapt and move’

      Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? Moving for jobs at 12 months at time is expensive and employers do not pay moving costs.

      Do you know the toll it takes on your finances to try and buy/sell a house for a 12 month job? Do you know how bad it is for your finances to constantly rent instead of buying a house?

      What about people who have families that need care and can’t relocate? Or have kids who need to adjust to moving every couple months?

      But sure ‘adapt and move’ around the country for 3, 6 or 12 month positions that offer little if any security.

      The point of getting a degree is that you have job security and don’t need to act like a long haul trucker.

    • Suuuuure, “adapt and move” like I am going to go to some faraway place in the US or a 3-6 months contract for a help desk position (you people couldn’t even bother to read somebody’s resume to understand what are this person’s skill sets before you spam everybody with your cut and paste job offers). It maybe ok for you to move all around (either by yourself or hauling your family), after all, all it takes for you is to find a cheap apartment, sleep on the floor and barely any furniture. You don’t seem to understand our realities are dramatically different, so next time you email me “Hi!…..I hope you are doing great!” with information cut and pasted from somewhere else….., please go away, we don’t have time for your phony offer.

  6. Alex Garcia

    H1B visa holders obtain jobs based on fake experience on their resumes and in many cases fake degrees. It is the biggest scam after after the parents who travel to the US only to deliver babies so they can one day become US citizens and scam the system. Many get hired by phone interviews and in most cases it is not the candidate taking the interview but some buddy of theirs who happen to know a bit more so they can answer all the technical questions. There are instances when hiring managers who happen to be Indians are on in it. Once hired by the corporation they cannot perform their job so what they do is they send the work back to some IT professional back in India where it is day and by next day they will have the code module ready to test. This is how they scam the system. All looks good for their American boss who has no knowledge this is happening behind their backs.

    • Alex garcia,
      I totally agree with you and here are my few cents:
      once the baby is 6 months old, they were taken to India, Kids stay in India until they are of age going school
      parents who come here on Visitor visa work as nanny, cook to earn in Dollars
      The caste system is the gift that they bought to USA along with their H1, they hate christians and christianity.
      Latest H1 Guys are preferring to marry local American (only White) girls as the getting GC is taking long time.

  7. Re: sweeping generalizations, such as:

    “They come with fake/purchased degrees from Indian Universities, no experience, very poor skills and a true lack English speaking/understanding abilities. Once placed, their Indian peers and Indian managers help them through the initial learning curve ( often with the assistance of the American Citizen that is being displaced ) by shielding their incompetence from any scrutiny from the actual Americans that are running the operation ( upper management and beyond ) so the H1B from India with his/her fake credentials ( degrees ) can roll up here into the US and be handed a high paying tech job when they HAVE NOT CLUE what they are doing.”

    Kevin is at least partially wrong. Our company has successfully petitioned for five (5) H-1B Visas over the last three years – three (3) of them Cap-subject cases while the other two (2) were ported from a previous employer. All have Master’s degrees from U.S. institutions, are paid the exact same as (or more than) their peers and all are amongst the top performers in their groups.

  8. JD Patrick

    Completely agree with the last viewers comments. The only cautionary point I would add is the agencies that hold the H1B Visas know every angle and are adept at changing tactics to thwart any new restrictions.

    Kudos to the Kevin B. very well stated. I would not have been so polite. I’d like to believe the H1B fraud has finally been exposed, but we’ll see…

    Over decades I have personally witnessed the incompetence. They also create fiefdoms, where they torpedo more qualified candidates in favor of protecting, and hiring less, or unqualified culturally adjacent staff.

  9. Leyton Newham

    Kudos to this president. I believe that’s the original intention for this visa. Not the abuse and scam that was encouraged under Obama’s administration. Thanks to Donald Trump, my job was saved. I was told 3 months ago, i was going to be replaced by an H1-B from India because i’m too expensive, but lo and behold, the 6 candidates the company solicited for visa were all denied and my job was saved. Only God knows how many people like me whose jobs were saved by this president’s policy are there. This president needs our support to carry on with what he’s doing.

  10. 22 year IT veteran, layoffs 3x over my career.. I’m good, no joke… can manage and code better than most.. my salary sucks and I am discriminated against…but can’t do jack because I’m white male. I’m ducked… it’s about time as the american IT worker is doomed. All upper management is indian and plotting to take over. Its so freaking obvious… wake up everyone, be equal, I dont care where u come from but dam it…I’m pissed I’m tired of loosing out, I’m tired of my salary being stagnant… it’s an awful industry and by far the most important. Stop giving away intellectual property!!!!!

  11. If you are so proud about your race, religion and culture then remove all the foreigners from your country then I would like to see how you make America great again. Why are spitting venom against one country? You talk English language and fake college or Universities? Don’t dare to throw stones on one’s house when you know your house is made of glass. There are many fake universities in America too. First of all you speak English right from your birth. Are you so insular minded? Look before you leap Mr. You are handicapped from your mind.

    • Wakjob Dunfor

      We were booming before you got here. No homelessness, tax surplus, booming economy. Not any more. We all know what you are up to. The venom is against one country because only the India Inc organized crime syndicates are doing it. InfoSys just settled yesterday with the state of CA for underpaying workers, and tax fraud. Don’t play innocent with us.

  12. Captitalism Is Winning

    Capitalism and profits is what is driving the use of H1Bs, but let’s not be hypocritical about it. We all make similar decisions in our own lives.
    When we hire someone for a home repair, auto repair or maintenance around the home do we pick the “best” most expensive contractor? or do often pick the lowest cost or best value providers? H1B is no different, it is all about what value you bring to an employer. We often forget that everyone is in a competition for employment and if someone on an H1B or even another American provides better value than you do, you are going to be unemployed. Years ago, it used to be older employees being replaced by younger more tech savy employees.
    To make things worse, we all over value ourselves (google Dunning-Kreuger effect).

  13. Why Indians get hired.
    1. A myth is we cost less , please check stats Indians are at the top on salary earnings, top avg is 90 K and second place is 60 K.
    2. H1B accept project which are as short as 3 months and ready to move to any location. Will a local talent accept this. This is the main reason why H1B’s visa is required for bussiness.
    3. In todays rapidly changing software\hardware envirnoment , Engineers should be ready to learn new emerging technologies . We Indians do not complain to learn new stuff and don’t say we will do same thing until I retire. This the main reason Indians get hired.
    4. We work during nights, weekends and holidays . But others after 5 or 6 pm , even if there is a prod issue local engineers says I don’t get paid so Im leaving and look into it tomorrow.
    5. Multi skilled, never say I don’t know.

    • Wakjob Dunfor

      Of course you’re at the top – you stole and took over all the good paying jobs created in Silicon Valley by Americans.

      As for $90K, that’s 2/3 the prevailing wage and almost 1/2 the prevailing wage from 20 years ago. That makes all of you H-1B frauds, and Title 8, Section 1182 violators. You should all be deported for crime. Go read the law.

  14. MONISH Varghese JOSHY

    Companies give tax exemption for hiring OPT visa employees, there are more than 3 million OPT visa employees, even Court in DC said they directly compete with US Citizens…why we tax payers need to pay to these companies to hire a foreign citizen ahead of American citizens…American citizens did most of the innovation before 1990, H1B was introduced by Bill Gates in 1989 and now Americans have been completely wiped out from IT. I am a legal Indian Immigrant with Masters degree and 15 years experience, took US Citizen, I can say that people on H1B visa with 10+ years experience are paid only $80,000 when they should be making abvove $150,000 for their experience and they are willing to work extra hours from home after work hours…so they work double the hours for half salary so clients find them more attractive and ask suppliers like Cognizant, TCS, Infosys to end the contract of American citizens and bring H1B employees

  15. Wakjob Dunfor

    Companies ruined by imported Indian labor

    Adaptec – Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple – R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Australia’s National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas – Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
    Circuit City – Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Deloitte – 2010 – this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
    Dell – call center (closed in India)
    Delta call centers (closed in India)
    Fannie Mae – Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty.
    GM – Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    Medicare – Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
    Microsoft – Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it’s lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    PepsiCo – Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi’ watch.
    Polycom – Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
    Qantas – See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    SAP – Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
    UK’s NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
    Union Bank of California – Cancelled Finacle project run by India’s InfoSys in 2011.
    United – call center (closed in India)
    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

    • So, no companies in the entire country run by locals went under before or after Indians showed up on these shores? Do you know if every single company that had Indians on staff went under? We were a predominantly Indian startup that made millions for a lot of people. VCs who invested in our company made handsome gains. Not every dollar in the VC fund belongs to Indians, right? We are too poor to make such investments 🙂

      Do you know that Apple, Google, Cisco, MS employ the same consulting companies to run their IT and their business is obviously thriving? I am not foolish enough to say that this correlation of outsourcing IT equals causation, but am pointing out that the anecdotes in your post don’t mean squat.

      Btw, there were a couple of “major projects” in the middle-east and one sub-prime housing “project” that were planned and executed predominantly by smart folks of your “group” with very little assistance from anyone else. Do you think that your entire “group” should be blamed for the spectacular execution of these projects or you don’t like the association game when the results aren’t very sweet?

  16. Companies Run successful by Indians
    Sundar Pichai, CEO of Google
    Satya Nadella, CEO of Microsoft
    Shantanu Narayen, CEO of Adobe
    Francisco D’Souza, CEO of Cognizant
    Sanjay Kumar Jha, CEO of Globalfoundries
    Dinesh Paliwal, chairman and CEO of Harman International
    George Kurien, CEO of NetApp
    Indra Nooyi, chairperson and CEO of PepsiCo
    Ajay Banga, president and CEO of MasterCard
    Piyush Gupta, CEO of DBS Group
    Ivan Manuel Menezes, CEO of Diageo
    Rakesh Kapoor, CEO of Reckitt Benckiser.

    1. About Microsoft Shares , please read some books to find out on how shares are priced.

    2. Most of the starts up fail.

    3. 40% companies are founded by immigrants or Childers of immigrants.

    4. Dell contact centers still operational in India.

    5. About Pepsi co , ppl moved from soda to juices .

    6. Apple Looks to India for Growth , please search in google. Apple looking for place for its manufacturing until in India.

    7. USB was founded in India.

    8. The digit ‘0’ founder in India, Albert Einstein – “We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made.”

    9. Excel developed by Indian.

    10. 36% NASA scientists are Indians.

    • Alex garcia,
      You nailed it.
      once the baby is 6 months old, they were taken to India, Kids stay in India until they are of age going school
      parents who come here on Visitor visa work as nanny, cook to earn in Dollars
      The caste system is the gift that they bought to USA along with their H1, they hate christians and christianity.
      Latest H1 Guys are preferring to marry local American (only White) girls as the getting GC is taking long time.

  17. Folks wanted access to global markets to expand the reach of their corporations so that their marginally educated selves could live like comfortable selling their wares to the clueless brown people. But along the way, corporations figured out that when it comes to IQ, Swamy is no worse than Bubba and is willing to work with much less attitude. But since it is hard to hate on rich people who look like themselves (as they derive their self-respect from the fact that they belong to the same race as these successful people), they just hate on the brown people and call them names. They know that they can’t compete on matters of IQ or knowledge, so they resort to slandering the character of the other.

  18. De-indianize-IT

    It is time to de-indianize IT.
    Indians bring nepotism, tribalism and destroy the merit system in every place they are working and not to mention the company culture they ruin with constant backstabbing of non-Indian workers until they replace them with their own.

    They always meet after work and conspire to takeover teams and eliminate any oof authority who is not one of theirs.

    Look at big American corporations and you will see it happening everywhere.

    A lot of US companies are taken over by people of a country that do have a sewer system.

  19. The internet is your friend!
    Read this – every MONTH – go to the LCA website and see what your employer is doing.
    Challenge the LCA when you see a basic job that can be filled by Americans is being requested (you can do this anonymously so less chance of retaliation).
    If the H1bs in your organization are not being used per the LCA – report them to ICE and DOL. Avoid retaliation by doing it anonymously and don’t share what you’re doing with co-workers.
    Boom.

    • De indianize IT NOW

      Unfortunately, under Obama’s administration, no action were being taken even if abuse were reported and that’s why we got here in the first place. Obama’s administration actually encouraged these rampart abuse.

      • Well Obama is out of the picture now. Make your calls. Do your part. It isn’t enough to simply post complaints, our politicians are bought and paid for. Demand enforcement by reporting fraud.

  20. Analyzing H1B data based on the job title (“software developer”, “software engineer”) is pretty bad and lazy. H1B petitions are all different and have to provide a very extensive detail of tasks and responsibilities that are never replaced by just the job title.

  21. I am always getting less that half of salary when signing up my contract job. For example, if it’s 80$ per hour the Indian employer and companies taking more than 50 percentage of that. Thanks president Trump. I hope he will be able to cute those hands on such a contracts. Indians are great liyers and they are not letting us to do job better ( new ideas, approaches). There are hidden relationships between companies managers and outsource companies. I was working in capital one at Plano

  22. I think I am simply stating what a lot of people are thinking. The H1B program was a farce from the start. It was an attempt by big business to get cheap reasonably trained “hands” in their companies. I know the pharma industry and that is certainly what happened. Senior managers were pressured to sign affidavits claiming they could not find technical talent in the US. It was complete rubbish, they simply did not want to pay for the American talent, where they made all their money

  23. Mark Rossmiller

    Added to this H-1B sellout of Amercan citizen engineers, most of the job boards including Dice are staffed with diploma mill Indianeers who pass jobs onto their brothers, sisters, cousins back in Bangalor and put the U.S. Engineers in file 13. These Indians couldn,t judge talent if it hit them on their forehead bindi!

  24. Why you guys fighting so much ? Chill ..
    America is land of opportunities so people’s will always migrate from different nation.
    No doubt Indians are smart and that’s why leading companies like Google, Microsoft ,Adobe , MasterCard and many other companies.
    They got this all position by their hardwork and dedication.
    Green Card backlog is so high no one will stay in America and will go back to some other countries . No Indians is happy with stressful and raciest life they are experiencing here .
    Remember you reap what you sow ..!

    When they will go back they will go back with all knowledge and will open new startups in other countries instead of USA.

  25. Deborah Richards

    This addresses only one point of the issue. Companies offshoring jobs to overseas contractors also need to be held accountable, they can lay off hundreds at a time. Often they require the workers to train their replacements to get severance. Even with the training the replacements cannot truly have the required product knowledge and experience. It is a horrible sham to increase profits at the expense of US citizens.

  26. Instead of hating Indian or individual of any part of world ! Why not just Kill H1B! If USA no more want any one here! It was started by USA for his own country development and it works! Now if don’t need just kill H1B instead for calling people using them and at the end hatting them!

  27. Instead of hating Indian or individual of any part of world ! Why not just Kill H1B! If USA no more want any one here! It was started by USA for his own country development and it works! Now if don’t need just kill H1B instead for calling people using them and at the end hatting them!

  28. Out Sourcing

    Universal law – Every that goes UP has to come down. US universities produced over 5 million IT engineers in last 25 – 30 years ( USC, Stanford, UCLA, Yale, CMU, Caltech, UC Berkeley, MIT, Princeton, Brown, UT Austin, UPENN list is long…) we really really do not need OutSourcing companies Infosys, Cognizant, TCS, Accenture, Wipro, HCL Tech, Mhapsis, Zensar, Cap Gemini, Persistent, KPIT, Mindtree — throw these companies Out of US as these are only in business of Transferring United States of America IT jobs to Bangalore, Pune, Noida, Hyderabad, Mumbai. High time cancel H1B program all together and all means revoke H4 EAD.
    US Citizen willing to work at US salary standards and not indian rupees standards. Sorry.

  29. Being an Indian I admit that there is misuse of the H1B system and that misuse must be cut down to the grass roots. H1B system needs a massive change so that it helps both Americans and Indians. Even if it is completely stopping of H1 visas, it is till good for Indians as well. Every country has all kinds of people. There are sad stories of Americans loosing jobs. There are sad stories of genuine H1B professionals who could not get H1 extensions and left to India abruptly in the middle of school year. There are genuine professionals both sides who suffered and/or suffering. I must also say Americans in general are broad minded than any other set. Hating all H1B folks from India because of some fraudsters is probably not right. Most Americans can think better than that, I am sure.

  30. Proud Indian

    I see bunch of lazy so called Citizens here trolling non Citizens especially targeting Indians. One of the repeated argument is that the Indian managers only hire Indians. I didn’t know if Microsoft or Google is hiring only Indians but no one else because their CEO are Indians. It makes sense for an Indian or H1B eligible person to read this article and comment on this but why are you the so called Citizen even concerned about what changes in H1B. You guys want to blame somebody for your failures or feel joyful in someone else pain. Can you please name just 1 person that you are very close to that their grand grand parents were born in US. If you can, you won’t be trolling here but would be thinking about helping 100 others. It doesn’t matter whether you have multiple masters or multiple management degrees with you but you should be a human for which you should first start respecting people around you. Don’t be hatreds and don’t grow up a hatred future generation. America is a country of immigrants and no one change the fact. Wish you happy Christmas and happy new year. Enjoy the holidays without hatreds.

  31. eaglerockdude

    wow this is a hot topic. I worked around indian h1b’s or those that started their careers as h1b’s for 20 years. I believe my job was displaced pretty much because of it, From my experience as a developer I have found indians to be great programmers. Sometimes there will be an entry level guy just learning, but you cannot make generalizations about that. But I do think that h1b causes imbalance in the playing field. If you have two good guys, the company will go with the less expensive one. IMO the indian mindset, if they have come from india, is geared more to doing any and everything they can to please their employer, from working long hours, often for free, to just never saying know or arguing anything. Americans for the most part have a hard time not speaking their minds, and in the workplace managers just don’t like that. So that is another advantage indians have. They are more motivated. If we lose the job, we go back home to a beautiful country/city/home. If an h1b loses their job, they may go back to a country with extreme poverty and conditions most americans can not imagine. Its hard to compete with that motivation on the job.
    I think that holds true with outsourcing to non-americans in general, just just indians.

    The big issue i have with h1B is how it has been abused. The other thing that bugged me is that on the days my contract was over at a job, and all the indian guys I worked with were staying, nobody ever said to me “you know I feel a bit guilty..if it was not for me or us you would still have a job.”..they know that pretty much…when it comes down to that..well i guess thats human nature. We are all just cogs in the man’s machine in the final analysis.

  32. Cindy Sexton

    What needs to happen is for the US gov’t to actually begin ENFORCING the visa rules that are already in place. What is happening now is political advertising for the upcoming election. My husband hires Indians and fires Americans not because of skill, bit because of cost. He calls it a 3 for 1 split – i.e.: 3 Indians for 1 American. He is given a set budget, an increasing workload, forced to perform a certain # of layoffs and increasing target #’s to meet. Companies don’t outright say “Fire the Americans”, but with this environment, there is no other choice.
    What would be useful is for the Gov’t to hire people with REAL IT, Technology, Engineering, Medical, etc… experience (not Rudolph Guliani) to define the job titles available to pick from on the applications so they are more targeted & specialized. Also, anyone coming on an H1B should be given a mandatory exam put together by the technology manufacturer or consortium to prove above average, specialized competence. Lastly, companies should have to prove that they tried to find an American worker for at least 4 months before going for the H1B.

  33. What needs to happen is for the US gov’t to actually begin ENFORCING the visa rules that are already in place. What is happening now is political advertising for the upcoming election. My husband hires Indians and fires Americans not because of skill, but because of cost. He calls it a 3 for 1 split – i.e.: 3 Indians for 1 American. He is given a set budget, an increasing workload, forced to perform a certain # of layoffs and he is given increasing target #’s to meet each year. Companies don’t outright say “Fire the Americans”, but within this environment, there is no other choice.
    What would be useful is for the Gov’t to hire people with REAL IT, Technology, Engineering, Medical, etc… experience (not Rudolph Guliani) to define the job titles available to pick from on the applications so they are more targeted & specialized. Also, anyone coming on an H1B should be given a mandatory exam put together by the technology manufacturer or industry consortium to prove above average, specialized competence. Companies should be required to prove that they tried to find an American worker with the necessary skills, along with testing results for at least 4 months before reaching for an H1B. Lastly, companies should be also required to pay the H1B worker the same average salary that an American in the same city/region with the same specialized skills is earning. The Gov’t owns the IRS, this would be easy to determine. No more cutting salaries to “recoupe Visa fees”.

  34. Indians use fake resumes. They get fake degrees. What is the quality of education in a country where people defecate and urinate on streets and dead burned bodies float in river where the rest take a dump and wash themselves. India is a disaster.
    Additionally indian bosses hire indians because they get bribes from their families. These bribes go from individual level all the way up to kickbacks and benefits for then higher ups. It is a corrupt system.

  35. Tell me, these Indian folks in the US on student Visas. How are they more qualified to hire than the 1,000 other US students sitting next to him in the same exact classes, at the same exact school, pursuing the same exact degree…. but without a full-ride scholarship & $40,000 in debt to student loans? I think this whole India invasion has been purposely set up by the government. Start learning Hindi & Mandarin folks. Btw… 80% of India is Hindu, 14% is Muslim, 2% is Christian. Why are the workers in India taking Christmas off and leaving everyone without holiday coverage?

  36. USCIS has gotten with the program and they are not going to let up! They are going to remove computing jobs from the “Specialty Occupation” category because even kids are learning to code and do networking at home these days. That’s their stance. They also have more supportive federal judges that have gotten smart to the B.S. Example:
    https://casetext.com/case/kpk-techs-v-cuccinelli/how-cited . This is just one of the cases they lost and rightfully so. So, time to call all of your local federal judges and tell them what you have seen! Call and write emails. They are on a roll. No stopping USCIS now. They are seeing the SECURITY problems and marrying the two. It may have taken them time to catch on, but they did. All the H-Wives working in blue collar jobs will have to leave too. Time to let High School kids work again and time to encourage the homeless to apply to Starbucks and other jobs so they can afford to at possibly earn a living to get off the streets.

  37. scared_of_reprisals

    Specific example of so many: Adobe brought over much of population of Kiev, Ukraine to Austin in past year when they purchased Magento which was based in Kiev (yeah, huh I thought Magento was largely created by open source contributors but that’s yet another corporate discussion). I was working there on full stack Magento on contract to hire whilst they were completing the mass migration effort of Kievans with families in tow, and I was pro-actively promised (I didn’t even ask) on every week of first 5 1/2 months that I’d for sure be hired and the offer was on its way, until in last 2 weeks it ‘oddly’ didn’t happen due to ‘confidential change of business plans’. Then, I applied for posted jobs and was very strangely told I wasn’t as qualified as other applicants for jobs almost identical to what I had just successfully (apparently good enough for frequent proactive promise of perm conversion) just done as contractor and obviously could do well – strange indeed…. make your own minds up… cost me dearly as US citizen.

  38. BS Detector

    Indians, complete fraudsters. I know some who immigrated became citizens and don’t even want to talk about companies like TCS (their short answer is, ‘may they burn in hell’) because of how they drive down wages.

    as for all the Indians on this board reading this, you say we Americans complain and we should compete better? I tell you this, we are better. We give opportunities but liars take advantage, and the scummy CxO-level people make the bottom line look better. As others have pointed out, the average H1B salary is way too low when adjusted for inflation. But that’s ok for you because you’re going to go back to your little shithole country with discrimination, huge ghettos of tons and shacks, polluted air and rivers, and support your family like a grand maharajah on $15k a year compared to the cost of living in the US. Why don’t we want to go to India to work or live? gee, I dunno, the pollution, traffic, ghettos, and caste system discrimination?