Longtime Stack Overflow Mods Quitting Because of Toxic Culture

Late last year, Stack Overflow began actively trying to manage its often-toxic community with new rules. Unfortunately, it might not be working, and longtime moderators are fed up.

In its original messaging effort, Stack Overflow was full of platitudes; for example, it ordered the community to be “clear and constructive” and “kind and friendly.” It wanted to be “a community that is rooted in kindness, collaboration, and mutual respect.” Still, moderators aren’t feeling the love.

In a blog post, long-tenured Stack Overflow moderator George Stocker outlined three main points for his departure. First, he says, the company has “forgotten how to lead, how to persuade, and how to talk with the community,” noting it has been in decline since at least 2014. “They no longer want to build a relationship with the community they have.”

He also feels those at the company make decisions about moderator reviews and removals unilaterally, and mods (who are unpaid) are being treated more like volunteers than partners in building a better community. This all culminates in Stocker’s third point: he’s lost faith in Stack Overflow leadership.

Stocker also took to Twitter. In a long thread, Stocker says two other long-time moderators have quit, bringing the site’s total down to 19 from 22. Stack Overflow staffer “@shog9” shared Stocker’s post on Twitter, adding he’s been saying goodbye too much of late, which seems a direct reference to Stocker’s point about long-time moderators quitting:

Been saying goodbye a lot lately. Lotta noise on twitter, so I wanna make something clear: these are good people who care deeply Stack Overflow; they’re leaving not because of the work in front of them, but because they feel we don’t have their backs.https://t.co/KLczVlUJd8— Shog9 (@shog9) October 15, 2019

How Best to Moderate?

In an unrelated interview with The Verge, Twitch CEO Emmett Shear had some interesting thoughts on how to moderate the site he runs. He uses Reddit communities as an example, saying: “The one with good, strong moderation, in many ways, is actually the place with freer speech. Because it was actually the place where people could express themselves and not just get destroyed by trolls and abuse and harassment.”

As Shear also points out, Twitch is giving its moderators and channel owners better moderation tools… and is doing so specifically because streamers didn’t feel they had enough tooling at their disposal to moderate their channels as they needed or wanted to. “We decided we had to do better. And I think it’s a big step in the right direction,” Shear adds.

Stack Overflow and Twitch are very different entities, but have a similar issue: toxicity. The difference is Twitch has decided its streamers and moderators are partners in an effort to stomp out bad actors, and Stack Overflow has decided something different. Furthermore, Stocker says, Stack Overflow has stopped listening to moderators:

All criticisms of company actions have been lumped together as “this is just meta, they’re malcontents, we don’t need to listen to them.” They do not partake in the activities that are needed to build and grow a community. They overwork their Community Managers and force them to act as intercessors without giving them the authority to help build the community.

In 2018, Stack Overflow placed the onus on users to shape up. It didn’t work; its 2019 developer survey shows 73 percent of users feel the site is “just as welcoming,” with the most popular request being a fix for the “community culture.”

At the time, we wrote: “When you’ve got to wade through a river of ego and spite before being told to ‘Google it,’ we start to wonder how long people will tolerate a Stack Overflow where a ‘cultural shift’ hasn’t yet taken hold.”

Stack Overflow has failed its moderators, and Twitch’s position shows supporting your moderators is the best way to improve your community. Unfortunately, Stack Overflow’s toxic corporate culture seems to get in the way. We know where moderators have drawn the line, but we’re still waiting to see when users give up on Stack Overflow.

2 Responses to “Longtime Stack Overflow Mods Quitting Because of Toxic Culture”

  1. By focusing on just Stack Overflow you miss out on the rest of the Stack Exchange network and almost all the context for why 4 SO mods now have resigned. You miss out on the almost 60 other moderators that have resigned or suspended activity (https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/firing-mods-and-forced-relicensing-is-stack-exchange-still-interested-in-cooper), as well as the illegal relicensing and slandering of a moderator to the press before even explaining what she had done to the SE community.

  2. Where did you get this idea that Stack Overflow has a “toxic culture”? That’s a bizarre criticism to lob at a volunteer-created question-and-answer site. Have you ever even used the site?

    Like, I don’t understand how that adjective could even apply. The way the site works is that you ask questions and then we write answers to your questions and help you with the problem you’re having. How could that be “toxic”? I don’t get it.

    The whole point of Stack Overflow is to eliminate all the flame wars and off-topic garbage that used to plague technical discussion forums, and it’s done an amazing job of it. It cuts out all the battling egos and pointless chatter and gets straight to the solution.

    I’ve been contributing to Stack Exchange for over a decade now, and the site claims that I’ve helped over 10 million people. I’ve never encountered anyone who had a problem with the “culture” of the site. Who did you hear this from? Did you talk to one person who tried to get us to do their entire homework for them and got their question deleted or something? I don’t get it.