58 Responses to “Dice News Update: Governments Eye IT Hiring”

  1. David Collins

    One reason governments are hiring is they are taking jobs that could be done by the private sector. In New Mexico, a law – NM14-3-15.1 – prohibits under threat of criminal prosecution release of public records in electronic format. Yet instead of reforming the law, legislators have established government run “portals” created by government IT employees. Those portals don’t provide access to all of the public records, and don’t provide access in formats useful to digitally savvy journalists. Reporters can’t query the list of state campaign contributors against the list of corporate officers then query the list of state contractors to see what companies with officers who contribute to campaigns get contracts. Instead, a politically loyal state IT worker gets a job creating a portal where one must know the name of a contractor before they can find out what contracts were issued. The state took over digital journalism. And some local newspapers claim digitally savvy reporters are “overqualified” to do newsroom jobs that have been moved into state offices and are now performed by government-approved state IT censors.

  2. David Collins

    One reason governments are hiring is they are taking jobs that could be done by the private sector. In New Mexico, a law – NM14-3-15.1 – prohibits under threat of criminal prosecution release of public records in electronic format. Yet instead of reforming the law, legislators have established government run “portals” created by government IT employees. Those portals don’t provide access to all of the public records, and don’t provide access in formats useful to digitally savvy journalists. Reporters can’t query the list of state campaign contributors against the list of corporate officers then query the list of state contractors to see what companies with officers who contribute to campaigns get contracts. Instead, a politically loyal state IT worker gets a job creating a portal where one must know the name of a contractor before they can find out what contracts were issued. The state took over digital journalism. And some local newspapers claim digitally savvy reporters are “overqualified” to do newsroom jobs that have been moved into state offices and are now performed by government-approved state IT censors.

  3. There is an awful lot of venom about over qualified employees.

    As somebody who has been on both sides of the equation, I can state absolutely that I wanted to surround myself with the most capable employees available. The better my team performs the better I looked. A rising tide floats all boats. However, too many cooks spoil the broth. It’s a fine line that has more to do with group chemistry than anything else.

    As a job seeker, I “hear” over qualified all too often. It’s a very fine line for us to walk. Job descriptions list 12 required skills, and if you don’t bring 14 nobody will talk to you, but don’t dare bring 15 or have more better skills than the hiring manager.

    Both situations are very trying.

  4. There is an awful lot of venom about over qualified employees.

    As somebody who has been on both sides of the equation, I can state absolutely that I wanted to surround myself with the most capable employees available. The better my team performs the better I looked. A rising tide floats all boats. However, too many cooks spoil the broth. It’s a fine line that has more to do with group chemistry than anything else.

    As a job seeker, I “hear” over qualified all too often. It’s a very fine line for us to walk. Job descriptions list 12 required skills, and if you don’t bring 14 nobody will talk to you, but don’t dare bring 15 or have more better skills than the hiring manager.

    Both situations are very trying.

  5. Over qualified is an excuse to hire younger lower paid employee’s any hiring manager that says this is false is lying.
    The fact is times are tough and most corporations will deal with quality isues if it will help the bottom line. What they don’t understand is there is a lot to be said about the cost saving effects of experiance since this does not show on a spread sheet.

  6. Over qualified is an excuse to hire younger lower paid employee’s any hiring manager that says this is false is lying.
    The fact is times are tough and most corporations will deal with quality isues if it will help the bottom line. What they don’t understand is there is a lot to be said about the cost saving effects of experiance since this does not show on a spread sheet.

  7. It is what it is. I’m entry-level IT. I’ve been trying to get my foot in the door for years. I graduated with honors and only recently started to get interviews. I’m told I cannot compete because I’m interviewing for jobs that are going to the people with 20-years experience.

  8. It is what it is. I’m entry-level IT. I’ve been trying to get my foot in the door for years. I graduated with honors and only recently started to get interviews. I’m told I cannot compete because I’m interviewing for jobs that are going to the people with 20-years experience.

  9. I really hate being typecast this way- kinda the same as racial discrimination, isn’t it? Just take one big group and observe a portion of them and make every single one of those people negatively disenfranchised. Well everybody who lives that long will get their turn, won’t they? Good luck!

  10. I really hate being typecast this way- kinda the same as racial discrimination, isn’t it? Just take one big group and observe a portion of them and make every single one of those people negatively disenfranchised. Well everybody who lives that long will get their turn, won’t they? Good luck!

  11. Overqualified – Thanks for perpetuating what may or may not be true. Just like the last commenter, this is like racial discrimination and not really that big of a hurdle, but thanks to people like this, the stereotype is further rooted in the ground.

  12. Overqualified – Thanks for perpetuating what may or may not be true. Just like the last commenter, this is like racial discrimination and not really that big of a hurdle, but thanks to people like this, the stereotype is further rooted in the ground.

  13. Old Vet

    I think a lot of this is bunk. I have seen hiring managers post jobs over and over and not fill the position. We have all heard companies complain that they can’t find anyone who is qualified, and in the same breath, say they need new H1B visas to hire off-shore for a job we know someone is qualified for. The over qualified worker with a bad attitude does exist, but it is still an excuse to send work overseas instead of a hire at home. It is almost like an act of treason as far as I am concerned.

  14. Old Vet

    I think a lot of this is bunk. I have seen hiring managers post jobs over and over and not fill the position. We have all heard companies complain that they can’t find anyone who is qualified, and in the same breath, say they need new H1B visas to hire off-shore for a job we know someone is qualified for. The over qualified worker with a bad attitude does exist, but it is still an excuse to send work overseas instead of a hire at home. It is almost like an act of treason as far as I am concerned.

  15. Overqualified employee: No such thing. This is an unqualified perception issue, not reality, and the real problem is under qualified hiring managers. In this current market, the best candidate is the overqualified candidate, not the child that will work for less. Plays video games ? Well, that would NOT BE the overqualified 50 year old, but rather the lazy, distracted younger employee, qualified or not. The one thing that is true is that many mangers don¿t like overqualified employees because they are in fear of that person taking their job or setting the bar higher that they are able to personally achieve or have their department achieve, with the less qualified peers.

  16. Overqualified employee: No such thing. This is an unqualified perception issue, not reality, and the real problem is under qualified hiring managers. In this current market, the best candidate is the overqualified candidate, not the child that will work for less. Plays video games ? Well, that would NOT BE the overqualified 50 year old, but rather the lazy, distracted younger employee, qualified or not. The one thing that is true is that many mangers don¿t like overqualified employees because they are in fear of that person taking their job or setting the bar higher that they are able to personally achieve or have their department achieve, with the less qualified peers.

  17. David Sirman

    My thoughts about the overqualified employee (that’s probably me as tech support with 10+ years experience, tech writer with 5+ years experience) is that it says more about management than me as the worker. So is management’s solution to hire less experienced workers they’ll have to continually train and fear will leave for greener pastures when they have more value to contribute, or ship the jobs off-shore to build other country’s economy while our’s in the US crumbles. The truth for a manager is you never totally know how the fit will take place, the integration into the workplace culture. I’m looking for the answer myself how to present myself and HR or the hiring manager see enough value-added to get me to the interview – I can get the job if I can get there!

  18. David Sirman

    My thoughts about the overqualified employee (that’s probably me as tech support with 10+ years experience, tech writer with 5+ years experience) is that it says more about management than me as the worker. So is management’s solution to hire less experienced workers they’ll have to continually train and fear will leave for greener pastures when they have more value to contribute, or ship the jobs off-shore to build other country’s economy while our’s in the US crumbles. The truth for a manager is you never totally know how the fit will take place, the integration into the workplace culture. I’m looking for the answer myself how to present myself and HR or the hiring manager see enough value-added to get me to the interview – I can get the job if I can get there!

  19. Overqualified doesn’t necessarily mean old(er). There are just as many stereotypes about age in the workforce. I’ve seen college graduates interviewing for their first position be turned down as overqualified. I’ve also seen underqualified, older employees with an entitled attitude regarding their seniority. There are advantages and disadvantages to every category of worker. It’s a matter of learning how you are perceived as a worker within those categories and demonstrating you don’t perpetuate the negative stereotype of that category.

  20. Overqualified doesn’t necessarily mean old(er). There are just as many stereotypes about age in the workforce. I’ve seen college graduates interviewing for their first position be turned down as overqualified. I’ve also seen underqualified, older employees with an entitled attitude regarding their seniority. There are advantages and disadvantages to every category of worker. It’s a matter of learning how you are perceived as a worker within those categories and demonstrating you don’t perpetuate the negative stereotype of that category.

  21. Working with recruiters, I’ve been able to find out what managers have actually said after reading my resume, or even after an interview. The word “overqualified” has come up 2 or 3 times.
    I know my resume has been ‘passed on’ many times because of this. Who wouldn’t want an IT guy that knows a lot? I’d surely want a doctor that knows too much. The IT profession is not only about installing, configuring and programming, it’s also about troubleshooting. And who better to troubleshoot something than someone with a wide range of experience? It’s not only about who’s going to do the job right, it’s also about who’s going to be the most resourceful when things go wrong.

  22. Working with recruiters, I’ve been able to find out what managers have actually said after reading my resume, or even after an interview. The word “overqualified” has come up 2 or 3 times.
    I know my resume has been ‘passed on’ many times because of this. Who wouldn’t want an IT guy that knows a lot? I’d surely want a doctor that knows too much. The IT profession is not only about installing, configuring and programming, it’s also about troubleshooting. And who better to troubleshoot something than someone with a wide range of experience? It’s not only about who’s going to do the job right, it’s also about who’s going to be the most resourceful when things go wrong.

  23. Re: Overqualified – Is it age or experience?
    Age discrimintion is illegal but does exists.
    Experience can be a bonus for the hring firm as they will benefit from the overqualified candidate’s added skills. In many cases, the candidate can manage his or herself independently or help the hiring manager with team building and breaking through barriers within the teams.
    Boredom: If the work doesn’t require a full time roll then pay the person at an hourly rate. If it is full time and objectives are clearly set then a manager can basically MBO!

  24. Re: Overqualified – Is it age or experience?
    Age discrimintion is illegal but does exists.
    Experience can be a bonus for the hring firm as they will benefit from the overqualified candidate’s added skills. In many cases, the candidate can manage his or herself independently or help the hiring manager with team building and breaking through barriers within the teams.
    Boredom: If the work doesn’t require a full time roll then pay the person at an hourly rate. If it is full time and objectives are clearly set then a manager can basically MBO!

  25. ¿Overqualified¿ and ¿under qualified¿ are simply ¿outs¿ an employer uses in the hiring process. The two have no correlation to maturity but most everyone seems to lump them together. Everyone is different and the older more qualified individual may be the less mature than the younger candidate and vice-versa.

    A hiring manager, who tells someone they are ¿overqualified¿, or feels threatened that the ¿overqualified¿ applicant may replace him, should not be a hiring manager. All things equal, hiring managers are supposed to bring the best candidate on board for the job, and ultimately for the company¿s best interest. Unfortunately, the world doesn¿t work this way, and hiring managers make poor decisions based on factors other than qualifications. Therefore, the root of the problem isn¿t the applicant; it is the hiring process itself and the hiring manager.

    A company that outsources but states that they cannot find qualified applicants, especially in today¿s job market, is doing so to save money in the long run, period. Ironically, outsourcing leads to unhappy customers and that translates into lost business. And in the end, if and employer loses more income through outsourcing than they would have paid in salary to a more qualified candidate, has essentially brought about its own demise.

    If the government is hiring, your salary will be far less than it is in the private sector, period. And if you look at some of the government organizations, the TSA for example, who have proved time and again they cannot get their hiring process correct, or their budget and spending under control, what leads you to believe they ever will? BTW, rhetorical.

    In response to ¿AIM¿: I am an adult computer science major in my junior year. Sadly, the classes I have completed will be considered obsolete before I finish my degree, making me obsolete already, according to recent news stories. Companies are looking to hire individuals with 5+ years of experience, but the predicament is; how do you gain that 5+ years of experience if you cannot get the job to do so? Again, I believe it is another ‘out’ for them.

    This leads us back to the beginning: ¿overqualified¿ vs. ¿under qualified¿. At the end of the day, it boils down to the almighty dollar and a company trying to save money, which isn¿t necessarily a bad thing. However, sacrificing the integrity and possibly the future of your company in trying to do so is.

    In my opinion; hire the best person for the job, regardless of age or experience. If someone is applying for a position they should be cognizant of the position requirements, salary, and so forth¿at least I hope. If that person doesn¿t work out, because they are playing video games or cannot focus, let them go and hire someone else.

  26. ¿Overqualified¿ and ¿under qualified¿ are simply ¿outs¿ an employer uses in the hiring process. The two have no correlation to maturity but most everyone seems to lump them together. Everyone is different and the older more qualified individual may be the less mature than the younger candidate and vice-versa.

    A hiring manager, who tells someone they are ¿overqualified¿, or feels threatened that the ¿overqualified¿ applicant may replace him, should not be a hiring manager. All things equal, hiring managers are supposed to bring the best candidate on board for the job, and ultimately for the company¿s best interest. Unfortunately, the world doesn¿t work this way, and hiring managers make poor decisions based on factors other than qualifications. Therefore, the root of the problem isn¿t the applicant; it is the hiring process itself and the hiring manager.

    A company that outsources but states that they cannot find qualified applicants, especially in today¿s job market, is doing so to save money in the long run, period. Ironically, outsourcing leads to unhappy customers and that translates into lost business. And in the end, if and employer loses more income through outsourcing than they would have paid in salary to a more qualified candidate, has essentially brought about its own demise.

    If the government is hiring, your salary will be far less than it is in the private sector, period. And if you look at some of the government organizations, the TSA for example, who have proved time and again they cannot get their hiring process correct, or their budget and spending under control, what leads you to believe they ever will? BTW, rhetorical.

    In response to ¿AIM¿: I am an adult computer science major in my junior year. Sadly, the classes I have completed will be considered obsolete before I finish my degree, making me obsolete already, according to recent news stories. Companies are looking to hire individuals with 5+ years of experience, but the predicament is; how do you gain that 5+ years of experience if you cannot get the job to do so? Again, I believe it is another ‘out’ for them.

    This leads us back to the beginning: ¿overqualified¿ vs. ¿under qualified¿. At the end of the day, it boils down to the almighty dollar and a company trying to save money, which isn¿t necessarily a bad thing. However, sacrificing the integrity and possibly the future of your company in trying to do so is.

    In my opinion; hire the best person for the job, regardless of age or experience. If someone is applying for a position they should be cognizant of the position requirements, salary, and so forth¿at least I hope. If that person doesn¿t work out, because they are playing video games or cannot focus, let them go and hire someone else.

  27. Experience has no correlation to maturity but most lump them together. All things equal, hiring managers are supposed to bring the best candidate on board, but unfortunately they make poor decisions based on factors other than qualifications. Thus, the root of the problem isn¿t the applicant. In my opinion; hire the best person for the job, regardless of age or experience. If that person doesn¿t work out, let them go and hire someone else.

  28. Experience has no correlation to maturity but most lump them together. All things equal, hiring managers are supposed to bring the best candidate on board, but unfortunately they make poor decisions based on factors other than qualifications. Thus, the root of the problem isn¿t the applicant. In my opinion; hire the best person for the job, regardless of age or experience. If that person doesn¿t work out, let them go and hire someone else.

  29. First no one hires me because I am Under-qualified.
    Then no one hires me because I am Over-qualified.
    Now no one hires me because I am 50+ years old.

    I don’t want to be challanged. I don’t want to be stressed out. I don’t want to be called all night long after working all day. I don’t want a high pressure job.

    I just want a freaking job that I can somewhat enjoy doing, with a salary that allows me to have a life.
    And when companies think I am too old to work, they will allow me to retire, not lay me off so I can’t retire.

    Doesn’t anyone have any common sence anymore ?

  30. First no one hires me because I am Under-qualified.
    Then no one hires me because I am Over-qualified.
    Now no one hires me because I am 50+ years old.

    I don’t want to be challanged. I don’t want to be stressed out. I don’t want to be called all night long after working all day. I don’t want a high pressure job.

    I just want a freaking job that I can somewhat enjoy doing, with a salary that allows me to have a life.
    And when companies think I am too old to work, they will allow me to retire, not lay me off so I can’t retire.

    Doesn’t anyone have any common sence anymore ?

  31. re: Overqualified!
    I get so annoyed at people generalizing what they know nothing about. Having been an IT professional for over 20 years, I have been thrown into this category unjustifiably! I have a much better work ethic than the one you describe in your commentary and I am willing to bet that others feel the same as I do.
    The real issue with the ¿Overqualified¿ brand is that hiring managers are not willing to pay for experience, so they think that hiring someone fresh out of college at a fraction of the salary will solve their staff issues when an experienced person would serve them much better.

  32. re: Overqualified!
    I get so annoyed at people generalizing what they know nothing about. Having been an IT professional for over 20 years, I have been thrown into this category unjustifiably! I have a much better work ethic than the one you describe in your commentary and I am willing to bet that others feel the same as I do.
    The real issue with the ¿Overqualified¿ brand is that hiring managers are not willing to pay for experience, so they think that hiring someone fresh out of college at a fraction of the salary will solve their staff issues when an experienced person would serve them much better.

  33. re: Overqualified!
    I get so annoyed at people generalizing what they know nothing about. Having been an IT professional for over 20 years, I have been thrown into this category unjustifiably! I have a much better work ethic than the one you describe in your commentary and I am willing to bet that others feel the same as I do.
    The real issue with the ¿Overqualified¿ brand is that hiring managers are not willing to pay for experience, so they think that hiring someone fresh out of college at a fraction of the salary will solve their staff issues when an experienced person would serve them much better.

  34. re: Overqualified!
    I get so annoyed at people generalizing what they know nothing about. Having been an IT professional for over 20 years, I have been thrown into this category unjustifiably! I have a much better work ethic than the one you describe in your commentary and I am willing to bet that others feel the same as I do.
    The real issue with the ¿Overqualified¿ brand is that hiring managers are not willing to pay for experience, so they think that hiring someone fresh out of college at a fraction of the salary will solve their staff issues when an experienced person would serve them much better.

  35. Overqualified!
    I get so annoyed at people generalizing what they know nothing about. Having been an IT professional for over 20 years, I have been thrown into this category unjustifiably! I have a much better work ethic than the one you describe in your commentary and I am willing to bet that others feel the same as I do.
    The real issue with the Overqualified brand is that hiring managers are not willing to pay for experience, so they think that hiring someone fresh out of college at a fraction of the salary will solve their staff issues when an experienced person would serve them much better.

  36. Overqualified!
    I get so annoyed at people generalizing what they know nothing about. Having been an IT professional for over 20 years, I have been thrown into this category unjustifiably! I have a much better work ethic than the one you describe in your commentary and I am willing to bet that others feel the same as I do.
    The real issue with the Overqualified brand is that hiring managers are not willing to pay for experience, so they think that hiring someone fresh out of college at a fraction of the salary will solve their staff issues when an experienced person would serve them much better.

  37. Matthew

    I wonder how that study was conducted. They probably just had people take a survey and ask: a) Do you feel your over qualified for your job? b) Do you mess around at work? c) Are you ever late or absent from work?

    I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s EXACTLY what they did. I hate studies like that. They never prove anything and often the methods that they use to gather the data can be extremely error prone or not relevant at all.

  38. Matthew

    I wonder how that study was conducted. They probably just had people take a survey and ask: a) Do you feel your over qualified for your job? b) Do you mess around at work? c) Are you ever late or absent from work?

    I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s EXACTLY what they did. I hate studies like that. They never prove anything and often the methods that they use to gather the data can be extremely error prone or not relevant at all.

  39. Recently, I am repeatedly being turned down after interviews as being over-qualified or over-experienced for the job even if it is just a few months contract at an hourly rate. Even the interviews (multiple rounds) have not much questions other than why I am seeking a position that is lower than what I had before in my prior company where I was laid off a year ago. Does anyone have any tips on what to answer at interviews that will get me the job, because it does not look like there is any other indication of not being fit for the jobs.

  40. Recently, I am repeatedly being turned down after interviews as being over-qualified or over-experienced for the job even if it is just a few months contract at an hourly rate. Even the interviews (multiple rounds) have not much questions other than why I am seeking a position that is lower than what I had before in my prior company where I was laid off a year ago. Does anyone have any tips on what to answer at interviews that will get me the job, because it does not look like there is any other indication of not being fit for the jobs.

  41. After 25 years in IT, I can confirm the hiring managers are underqualified and that the time for an overqualified candidate to get the job done is worth every penny. I also can’t tell you how many times the resume did not accurately portray the qualifications of the candidate in the first place. I wish I kept track of how many times I had to go back and revise the code of an inexperienced person in the middle of the night. In this on-line world we all live and work in, the delicate balance of businesses saving money and getting the job done right the first time will always require focus, but many will face some sort of IT disaster before they consider the value of those senior level individuals.
    I agree with Paul, working with recruiters has helped me land great positions and to hire great candidates. I don’t consider them overqualified, they are senior level candidates.

  42. After 25 years in IT, I can confirm the hiring managers are underqualified and that the time for an overqualified candidate to get the job done is worth every penny. I also can’t tell you how many times the resume did not accurately portray the qualifications of the candidate in the first place. I wish I kept track of how many times I had to go back and revise the code of an inexperienced person in the middle of the night. In this on-line world we all live and work in, the delicate balance of businesses saving money and getting the job done right the first time will always require focus, but many will face some sort of IT disaster before they consider the value of those senior level individuals.
    I agree with Paul, working with recruiters has helped me land great positions and to hire great candidates. I don’t consider them overqualified, they are senior level candidates.

  43. Maybe we need a little sodium pentathol for interviews with hiring managers about “overqualified”.. In growth years, managers are dying to hire highly qualified people who can, at some point, be ready enough to free the manager for promotion.

    In the real world of the 21st century, hiring managers are scared “poopless” that an overqualified subordinate may soon be sitting in his chair. Sans promotion…

  44. Maybe we need a little sodium pentathol for interviews with hiring managers about “overqualified”.. In growth years, managers are dying to hire highly qualified people who can, at some point, be ready enough to free the manager for promotion.

    In the real world of the 21st century, hiring managers are scared “poopless” that an overqualified subordinate may soon be sitting in his chair. Sans promotion…

  45. Over-qualified has many meanings. One big reason is they just don’t like you. Too many interviews are held by the employees themselves and they are catty! These places of employment are now social clubs in that if the hiring group doesn’t think you fit in their “high school” like social status, you don’t belong. In lew of this they use the old standby words like “over-qualified (will leave after getting exp.)” or “Unqualified!”

  46. Over-qualified has many meanings. One big reason is they just don’t like you. Too many interviews are held by the employees themselves and they are catty! These places of employment are now social clubs in that if the hiring group doesn’t think you fit in their “high school” like social status, you don’t belong. In lew of this they use the old standby words like “over-qualified (will leave after getting exp.)” or “Unqualified!”

  47. Over qualified, under qualified, to young, middle age, or to old, it is all a game! Much to do with politics within management. The hiring managers want to look “on top” for their annual reviews too. Now a days with the “globolized job market, price is not the issue when you can hire an offshore or H1B temp contracotors on site at a discount to do the job a US citizen would have nornally performed in the past. Do you ever wonder who writes many of these job skill requirements in these postings? All they are asking for is to “walk on water and to accept the lowest salary”, so who can’t/wouldn’t to do that? Typically these posting are authoried by the political HR/Legal dept’s with assitance from the technical managers who want the world but don’t want to pay the price for quality. When dept cost management is how they are reviewed at the EOY, the cheaper the better! Think of the stockholders. Espically if you can get a few resources for the price of one even if it take a group of them to perform the job as one person did in the past! When you look closely and read between the lines, you see many contradictions in these postings for many tech jobs. Remeber we all like to shop at Wall Mart but who is going to pay the taxes to keep middle America going. Loosing the tech race, the money race, the space race, so what’s next…. healthcare.

  48. Over qualified, under qualified, to young, middle age, or to old, it is all a game! Much to do with politics within management. The hiring managers want to look “on top” for their annual reviews too. Now a days with the “globolized job market, price is not the issue when you can hire an offshore or H1B temp contracotors on site at a discount to do the job a US citizen would have nornally performed in the past. Do you ever wonder who writes many of these job skill requirements in these postings? All they are asking for is to “walk on water and to accept the lowest salary”, so who can’t/wouldn’t to do that? Typically these posting are authoried by the political HR/Legal dept’s with assitance from the technical managers who want the world but don’t want to pay the price for quality. When dept cost management is how they are reviewed at the EOY, the cheaper the better! Think of the stockholders. Espically if you can get a few resources for the price of one even if it take a group of them to perform the job as one person did in the past! When you look closely and read between the lines, you see many contradictions in these postings for many tech jobs. Remeber we all like to shop at Wall Mart but who is going to pay the taxes to keep middle America going. Loosing the tech race, the money race, the space race, so what’s next…. healthcare.